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breaking news, hanna anderson tells her story of abduction and why she's glad the man that kidnapped her and a former close friend is dead. stop and frisk, the controversy continues as a war of words continues over a key question. is it plain old good policing or old fashed racial profiling. we begin with breaking news, the war e, yes, the war and the huge problem for the obama administration. state of emergency is in effect and 287 people, mostly opposition members are dead this is video of egyptings security forces raiding camps. they move in this morning acompanied by tear gas and ammuniti ammunition. troops kicked a man around. a protester, it's an open war. touching rough running battles
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and new battle of muslim brotherhood fighters pushing off a bridge. the bridge is a rallying point leading into the square. the images coming in and seeing now reflect precious inspiration but plenty of desperation. supporters have been living in the camp for the last month in a half since the president mohamed morsi was ousted, frustration growing making it clear for weeks they wanted them out. when the clearing of the camp started this morning, it came as no surprise but meant danger for anyone close by. >> for the muslim brotherhood, it is a battle for some of those hard core supporters, you will see them out there continuously but at the same time -- >> they are clearly using live ammunition, firing into the side
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streets. there are front lines between protesters, security forces all over kay rcairo and this looks it will get ugly. >> has the secretary of state kerry calling events deplorable and vice president of former affairs and diplomat turned in his resignation. the obama administration calling off next month's big military exercises with egypt with questions about the president's handling not just of this chapter but the saga in egypt. arwa damon with guns going off around her joins us. it's the middle of the night, quiet compared to earlier today. what have you seen and heard? >> reporter: well, curfew full on in effect. it's quite odd how early quiet the streets have becoen compare to earlier today. officials not just having to
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deal with clearing the morsi supporters but multiple front lines at the same time. we saw morsi supporters trying to gather breakthrough the riot polices ranks. we also saw them actually taking over another square in cairo where they were as of tonight as well when we returned back to that location digging in there, setting up makeshift barricades once again, field hospitals, readying themselves for other clashes. the other issue here, too, anderson, the violence is not just clashes breaking out between those support mohamed morsi and the security forces. you're also seeing clashes between morsi supporters in various neighborhoods where the marches are taking place. additionally to this, neighborhood watch. young men in various neighborhoods, taking batons, bats, setting up check points,
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searching vehicles. it's a very unpredictable situation. >> right now you have sort of both sides pointing fingers for the violence. based on what you saw, who do you think is responsible for the death sns. >> the vast majority of around over 250 deaths is the mohamed morsi's supporters. the security forces, the government is saying their intent was to lay siege this them, allow those who were there to be able to exit but they would prevent anyone from entering. they are claiming they were shot at first by these demonstrators, and then the situation rapidly escalating from there. people who were at these demonstrations sites saying the security forces barely issuing any warning whatsoever, moving
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in immediately beginning to fire, intense volleys of tear gas and live am nation, as well. anderson, we didn't see demonstrators carrying weapons. that's not to say that they weren't. however, there are more than 40 people killed, members of the e gips police force. there were people armed and shooting because of the deaths and this is very much a blame game at this stage. the great concern because these demonstrators are taking to the streets, yes, in lesser numbers than we were sitting at the two -- than we were seeing in the two cities but they still are effectively taking to the streets so the clashes will continue. >> i want to bring in ivan watson who is here in new york. you spent a lot of time in egypt over the last couple years and seen a lot of this firsthand. where does this go from here? the muslim brotherhood is not going away. they were out lawed for decades
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and remained. obviously, it's on it's heels right now but they aren't going away. >> that's what is so frightening here. what does the military want the m-game to be? do they expect the islam and equipment will disappear if this was such a tenacious organization that survived torture and imprisonment in previous decade sdecades? they won't disappear. the democracy we saw the beginnings of in 2011 when you see the carnage and death toll it's over. the fear is in the sicyanide of egypt, there is egyptian security forces, more deaths there in the last couple days, and could that spread now? you've closed the door to the democratic process to the
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preimminent force. so what other option do they have? >> the situation arwa describing, we don't have her anymore, you have neighborhood groups which we saw in 2011. seems to be fracturing more and more into desperate groups taking the law into their hands. >> it's very frightening when you start to see the cycle of violence and the fabric of society starting to fray, and that was kind of knit together in 2011 after there was a crime spree, and people were very worried and took charge of protecting their own neighborhoods, and things like that. but that was followed by a historic per rid of elections and got the freedom to vote. how do you follow this crack down when you have hundreds killed today and previous bouts of violence -- >> and does the muslim brotherhood have a role in the elections? can they run again?
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>> how can they? the president is imprisoned we don't know where for six weeks. the first democratically elected president of egypt. >> we have arwa back. the situation you described in the neighborhood groups, it does seem the situation you're describing is fracturing by the hour almost. >> it does really feel as if one is slowly beginning to watch the unraveling of society i've been referring to it right there. i want to also need to go back and look at how we reach this point in time on june 30th, there were an unprecedented number of egyptians that took to the streets demanding resignation calling for early elections and that then gave the military the support it believed it needed to go in and oust former president mohamed morsi, and since then, tensions in egypt have only been increasing society, the population growing more polarized in the pro and
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anti morsi camps. some of the violence, mobs of morsi supporters and attacking a number of churches across the country, as well. >> and arwa and ivan, i want to bring in and extend the discussion and bring in peter editor of "the daily beast" and fran townson serves on the cia and department of homeland security advisory bored. fran, what is your sense of where this goes? >> look, they clearly declared a state of emergency because they expect this violence will continue. when you see the sort of fatalities and injuries, this is over 900 injured in audition to the deaths we reported this won't simply stop. the security services made
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perfectly clear their willingness to revert to brutality and violence and the pictures speak for themselves, but look, you've got to -- if you want to move to the democratic society that ivan and arwa have spoken about, you have to be inclusive. look, we've got in this country there are plenty of groups who stand for ideals that the majority of the population don't believe in. but they can be heard. they can be safe and secure in raising their voices, and they can run for public office. which is not to elect people whose ideas we disagree with but equipment is gypt has to work i through a process. the military can't sideline them and expect them not to revert. >> peter, we talked about what egypt can do. is there much the u.s. can do here? the u.s. gives a lot of aid but it sounds like at this point the generals don't even care whether that continues or not, that that aid can be replaced by saudi arabia or somewhere else.
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>> it's hard to see what the u.s. can do. the question historians will look at is would it have made a difference at the coup and a possibility of restoring morsi or forcing the military not to go down the path. if the u.s. said we're cutting off aid, taking a really blunt unequivocal stance instead of what the obama administration did trying to have it both ways saying we won't cut off aid and accept morsi won't come back but try to be restrained -- >> you used the word coup. administration didn't -- >> they didn't want to use it because it would require cutting off aid in retrospect, hindsight is 20/20. they were too nmuch trying to split the difference and in that moment perhaps the u.s. could have stopped the military. we don't know but would have a better chance than now. >> fran, all along in all of this, how much impact do you think the u.s. could have had?
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even in the over throw of him they criticized for not supporting mubarak longer, we were there, the sense on the street was it didn't matter what the u.s. would do. events on the ground in egypt are happening at a pace that's ir regardless of what the u.s. is doing. >> this is an instance where egypt is such a powerful force in the arab world, and with it's can perhaps be more influential than we can. we could have -- i think if it walks like a duck and quakes like a duck, it's a duck this is a coup. we can debate why administration didn't use it. i agree with peter, because of the consequences of that. it was clearly a coup. the fact is, though, the problem with cutting off aid, you have to play the chess game of moving the pieces down the boreard.
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if we removed ourselves and the aid, someone with a different foreign policy agenda might have filled the gap. russia or qatar -- >> look at saudi arabia could have an impact. saudi arabia doesn't want a democratic equipment -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> stability is what many -- >> saudi arabia -- i think fran said correctly there ultimately won't be stability woit islamist expressing themself poll lit tickly. the u.s. was e kwif kill and the gulf states came down strongly on behalf of the people of the military leading the coup, and now the possibility of a syria like situation with different region actors, turkey brotherho >> quickly, peter, do you see this going to wider conflict or do you see it erupting larger within egypt? >> you don't have the same
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divisions exactly, although i think the question is very, very concerning one. but i do think you have the possibility of the most powerful country in the middle east now being essentially an open battle field in which you could imagine people starting to arm eloquent lm -- elements of the brotherhood and that's frightening -- >> fran, you say that as well? >> i think the sodi's want stabilitily. there are these regional actors playing through their own agendas and i think that fuel as further conflict. >> dangerous days. thank you so much peter, fran, iv ivan, arwa, arwa stay safe. his department uses stop and frisk and hanna hander son opens up online about her captivity and what she thinks of the killer who kidnapped her. la's known definitely for its traffic,
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keeping them honest on stop and frisk. the policy of detaining and searching hundreds of people, mostly innocent people every day in hopes of reducing crime. on monday calling it discriminatory put limits on it and a police officer reacted telling the new york post welcome to chicago meaning say
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good-bye to new york's plummeting murder raid. if that's what the judge wants, crime will go up. the chicago pd taking sharp objection. he said we had significantly less crime and fewer shootings and murders of any year since 1965 without imposing on the right of residents. who is right? can you operate a stop and frisk program without discriminating and alienating communities and whose help you need to do it. let's talk about it with philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey whose department uses a version of stop and frisk and crystal wright, and criminal defense attorney mark geragos. your city faced something similar and michael bloomberg have pointed to crime rates going up as a result of those reforms, and when the mayor was first pressed on this issue last year he sate quote, why would any racial person want to trade what we have here for the situation in philadelphia, more murders, higher crime? to that you say what? >> i say he's wrong. our murders are actually down
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30% this year, shootings down 18%, overall crime is down significantly in philadelphia. we did enter into an agreement, i think, in the long run it will be for the betterment of the department. >> explain that. does stop and frisk work? >> well, it's not a question of just if it works. does it work? yes. we have to make sure as police whatever we do we do within constitutional guidelines. we can't sacrifice all constitutional rights in order to impact crime. i think you can -- you can do both. i think you can impact crime and do so within constitutional guidelines. stop, question and frisk is a valuable tool but has to be done correctly. >> there are a lot of people, though, who say look, this is not racial profiling this is going where crime is. to that you say what? >> well, it is going where crime is but you still need reasonable suspicion before you can temporary detain a person for
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investigating purposes. you also have to have reasonable belief a person is armed and dangerous before you conduct a frisk. it's pretty clear, and i think we need to focus on training for officers but we need to make sure we have in place audits to make sure they are doing it correctly. we have to record all stops in philadelphia. we do have a multi-layered approach toward auditing the stops to make sure they are being done properly and in the long run, it's better for the community and department and better for everybody concerned. >> crystal, you support what new york has been doing, but a vast majority of the people who are stopped and frisked are released. they have done nothing wrong. >> i agree with commissioner ramsey. we have to go where the crime is, and the crime is overwhelmingly in new york city in predominantly black neighborhoods, and the crime being commented in new york city is overwhelmingly done by
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minorities, particularly black males. this is an inconvenient truth but reality. why would you stop somebody like a norwegianen tourist when they aren't commenting the crime? i agree we need to honor the constitution, the fourth amend the against unreasonable search, but the fact is, police officers under the fourth amendment have the right to reasonable searches. do we need to revisit the program periodically how to train officers? sure. there is one thing to disagree with the commissioner on and that is from what i've read, your crime rate is going up. crimes have gone -- increased in philadelphia compared to last year before you engaged this this settlement. now, you know, i think that we would -- you may disagree with me on this but from what i see that's happening in philadelphia, we've taken the politically correct route and let's make sure the police officers aren't making anybody mad. >> i don't know what you read or care what you read, but that is
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just simply not true, and if it is true, you can't tie it right back into any settlement agreement that we may have entered into. i mean crime -- >> i mean you -- >> crime flux waits for a variety of reasons. >> right, but i understand you said, commissioner ramsey, you didn't think it was inappropriate for people to assume because you're stopping a black individual that you didn't have the right as an officer or your officers to stop that individual just because of his race. i mean, i think that's -- >> it's -- >> that's a dialogue that we need to have. >> it's not about race. it's about what is that person doing? what is the behavior? are you responding to a flash message? does the person fit the flash? is the person -- >> right. >> a member of a gang and you're looking at retaliation as a possibility and known to carry weapons -- >> right -- >> you have to have more. there are more descent law-abiding people living in black communities, hispanic communities -- >> there r sure are. >> you can't paint everybody with the same brush. you can't do it.
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>> i'm going to disagree with you, and like i said before, the crime is occurring at a higher rate in predominantly black neighborhoods. [ overlapping speakers ] >> because of the break down of the black family there is no fathers in the house -- >> that could be -- >> chicago? chicago? chicago -- >> let her finish. >> chicago is genocide, black male genocide central. >> i'm from chicago and grew up in inglewood. if you know anything about chicago you know about inglewood and gangs and issues. i've been a policeman for 30 years and police chief for nine and police commissioner in philadelphia for five and a half. i didn't come out so bad and grew up in inglewood. you can't paint every black person that grew up -- >> wait a minute, don't -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> wait a minute -- >> or being prone to crime. >> that's not what i said. you're misrepresenting what i said. >> commissioner ramsey, mark geragos, we need to take a
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welcome back. keeping them on nest. continuing the conversation on stop and frisk. crystal right, commissioner ramsey, and mark geragos. you were trying to make a point before the break. pick it up there. >> here is the bottom line, as police, we have to make sure we exercise the authority the public has given us in a constitutional way, and we do not abuse people's rights. we do not say that there is more -- all black people are criminals or more in this community or more in that community there are some in everyone community. we need to weed them out, but we need to do so in a fashion where we do not disrupt the descent law-abiding people that are just trapped in an environment they don't want to be in any more than you would want to be in -- >> commissioner, in your experience, charles blow was on with crystal and mark the other day. one of his points was that the
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experience for a young black male say of being pulled over, of being stopped, of being frisked and not having anything on you and, you know, statistics show most people who are stopped and frisked are likely not doing anything wrong and nothing is on them, that builds humiliation and recesentment towards the police and says the police are not there to help us, they are there to monitor us, and that long-term actually hurts -- hurts law enforcement because there is not that sense of corporation. do you agree with that? >> well, it does have a negative impact on the relationships. most of the complaints i get are not about the stop. it's about how they were treated during the stop. and again, it goes back to training and making sure that police officers can do their job but do so by treating people in a respectful way. >> i agree with the commissioner. police officers should be trained. i mean, they have to -- and i think stop and frisk you continue to monotomorrow the
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training, how are the police doing this in the field? >> we can go about and make neighborhoods safer, and people want us to make them safer, but at the same time, they want us to respect the rights that they have, even criminals have rights. everybody has rights. it's the way in which we go a d about doing our job and investigating, the way we write it up. most of the stops are probably good stops but the cops write them up terribly and don't justify the reasons why -- >> because crystal -- >> it's a problem. >> crystal, when you look at the reason police officers says they pull somebody over and furd of movement, does that worry you? i mean, as somebody who respects the constitution does it worry you a police officer is saying they made a furd of movement on the street and i can pull them over and frisk them? >> look, i've said from the beginning, the police need training and i think they have to evaluate how they are pulling people over and why and what
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behavioral things. we need concentrating. new york city is a lot safer and i want to go back to yes, there is -- i think it's less than 2% of the people pulled -- stopped and frisked have guns on them. however, wouldn't you argue that because folks know there is stop and frisk going on in new york city you would think twice about packing a gun and doing something bad. >> i think there is a lot of people who would argue that the reason there is only 2% is because you've got gun enforcement laws in new york and they don't want to be caught with them. remember, plaxico, he shot himself and went to state prison 400 murders? 400 murders last year? >> 400 murders as a percentage i don't think if i'm in a particular community if a small tiny percentage of constituents in our community -- >> 8 million people -- >> i don't what to give up my constitutional rights. >> commissioner ramsey, i want to leave you with the last word.
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my understanding in new york when stop and frisk has gone down 20% of increased monitoring and training, crime hasn't gone up. if stop and frisk is the reason that crime has reduced and in new york, you would think a 20% reduction of stop and frisk would raise the crime rate but hasn't in my understanding. >> new york has done a tremendous job in lowering the crime rate over the last couple decades. there is no question about that. we're not talking about throwing out stop and frisk. we need that. but need to make sure we do anytime a way to not lose that. if we don't straighten up our act as police we'll lose it and really have a problem. we were supported to do this segment yesterday. the reason i didn't do it is because i had a policeman shot yesterday, shot in the stomach by a person with 12 prior arrests, carrying a stolen firearm and shoots one of my policeman at point blank range under his vest and he's fighting for his life as we speak. we encounter very dangerous
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people on the street and nobody knows it better than i do. but at the same time, we can't just go through that neighborhood that that particular person is from, throw everybody on the wall, start random searches of people simply because we have that take place. we've got to go after the people causing harm, have the reasonable suspicion and bases for the stop that we need to have so we can preserve the tools that we have available to us. >> commissioner ramsey, i appreciate you being on and the best to that officer and we hope that officer crystal wright, thank you, mark garp ra goes thank you. convicted leaker army private first class bradley manning apologized for actions today at his sentencing hearing. he said he hurt people and hurt the united states by leaking tens of thousands of pages of classified documents and videos to the website wikileaks. gun demand spiked in new
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jtsds out co welcome back. what was found in the burned down home of hanna anderson's killer. the bodies of christina anderson and the dog was discovered in dimaggio's attached garage. a crowbar was next to the body and the remains of eat earn anderson and his sister made an unusually large number of calls to him on the day of the fire. according to the warrant, phone records show that hanna anderson and dimaggio called each other about 13 times before the phones were turned off the day she was kidnapped. today an idaho coroner shows dimaggio was shot at least five times killed by a tactical agent after a massive manhunt and tonight we know why she didn't try to escape, he would have killed me. that's what he said in the first public interview in an online
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chat room. she felted questions in an online posting about her mom and brother and the night he killed them. the online openness stunned some but she's a 16-year-old girl doing what teenagers often do. casey wine reports. >> reporter: 16-year-old hanna anderson is sharing details about her kidnapping on social media. she felted questions on the site ask fm by the man she knew as uncle jim, dimaggio. a user said do you want to go with dimaggio. she replied no not at all. why didn't you run? he would have killed me. why didn't you tell your parents he creeped you out? he was my dad's best friend and i didn't want to ruin anything between them. she shed light on the night she was kidnapped, the same night her mother and younger brother were murdered and bodies burned in his house. how did he separate you from your mom and brother? he tied them up in the garage. how did he keep the fire a secret? he had it set to catch on fire a
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certain time. he wrote da mog owe threatened to kill her if she fled and brought her to help her carry equipment in the wilderness. some questions were brutally blunt. did he rape you? i'm not allowed to talk about it so don't ask questions about it thank you. are you glad he's dead? absolutely. some experts question the wisdom of hanna's online chats. >> this is a 16-year-old traumatized and in a state of trama and so she's not thinking. sometimes in a numb state you're doing things that you don't really consider the consequences. >> reporter: hanna posted a selfie and engaged in lighter conversation but some of that seemed painful. what design did you get on your nails? pink for my mom and blue for ethan. those who know her said hanna spent some of tuesday helping to plan their funerals. >> hanna's father asked for privacy after the rescue so the postings came as a surprise to a lot of people.
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i want to bring in rebecca. thanks for being with us. what do you make of this? is it healthy for her to answer questions from complete strangers online three days after she was freed? >> you know, as usual, i go to the go-to place, which is i can't judge if it's healthy or not for her. she -- as you said, is a 16-year-old girl processing a tremendously traumatic experience in the only way that she knows how at this point. >> and i guess, i mean, one of the conversations someone asked her if her dad knew that she was answering these questions and she said that quote he knows. it would be hard, i guess, as a parent in this situation to strike the right balance between being vigilant and giving your daughter the space she needs. >> absolutely. i mean, would i advice her to be processing this way? no.
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we've got to speculate if we're going to speculate, which again, i hate to do her dad is dealing with his own tremendous, tremendous grief right now, and in someways, she was able to take some sense of power in her ability to not answer the questions. she did set a limit and say no, i can't answer that. >> yeah -- >> and -- >> and some of the questions, i mean, i -- when i heard she was doing this, first of all we weren't sure it was real. we knew about this last night at air time but wanted to make sure it was her, of course, but also exposing yourself to, you know, complete strangers online. some of the questions were really horrible, too horrible to even repeat on air. that's certainly one of the dangers in something like that, somebody opens themself up to the positive feedback but also the negative. >> i agree. and unfortunately, it's a strange world that a lot of our teenagers live in, as we talk about in our book and why you
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have to revisit and revisit this top pick. my concern more is that if she didn't understand before she was doing this that it might get to the media, and that's what is trouble some because she's trusting and having it in her face. it's small potatoes compared to what she's dealt with, anderson, we know that. it's a top pick parents should have with their children about the implications of when you do expose yourself publicly like this, but again, this is what she's doing to cope right now, and my goodness, this girl needs some support somewhere. i wish it wasn't strangers, and i really hope that she's got people surrounding her and supporting her that are there for her. >> you know, one of the things i read a couple years ago about ptsd, therapy that psychologists are doing in the field with soldiers and marines and service members with ptsd is trying to give them a narrative to kind of
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explain their time overseas, and giving them a narrative even before while they are still overseas before they come home it helps them, i don't know, process is the word right. is that something that's important for somebody for a child whose undergone a trama to kind of come up with a narrative that -- i mean, it's something that doesn't make sense but at least give an explanation in their own mind? >> anderson, that's such a great observation because again, it's so case specific but for some people processing ptsd, doing it this way, develop thing narrative so soon can be helpful. for some it cannot be. some people need to be quiet and sit with it and not talk about it. but you're absolutely right. for this individual child, this may be what exactly -- exactly what she needed to give it some sort of a sense of control and some sort of a story. >> and this is obviously something you do in your work and write about in the book.
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>> yeah. >> but what -- just for parents out there whose child has undergone any kind of traumatic thing, obviously, not something to this degree, even, what do you recommend in terms of helping them kind of -- i don't want to say move on because that's not the right term but help them understand it, helping them deal with it. >> well, in audition to certainly seeking professional help when it's the right circumstance, allowing the child to bring the information to you when they -- when they see fit. i also want to say for a lot of kids this is a scary top pick. they are hearing about it in the news. they are hearing about it on the radio and in some levels, there is a bit of a trama of hearing about this. it brings to mind, you know, uncle so and so. do i have to worry about him? so help the kids deal with potential trama of even the reality that things like this happen by talking with them, allowing them to share their
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feelings. so the best answer is revisit and try to revisit on their terms. >> good advice. rebecca bailee, always good to have you on, thank you. >> thank you so much anderson, take care. coming up a grim and bloody ending to a hostage at a bank we talked about last night. details what happened ahead. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪
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oh, yes, time for "the ridiculist." the story of a man in tennessee and the beloved raccoon, two raccoons, actually. once upon a time there was a raccoon named gunshot and he posted a video online of he and gun show dancing to what early but "chain of fools." ♪ ♪
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♪ ♪ >> now sadly, that particular raccoon has gone onto the great gun show in the sky. he pass aid way in january. four months later a new raccoon came into mr. brown's life and bathtub, as well. normally when a masked bandit shows up in the bathroom, that's a bad idea but he bottle fed, kept as a pet and showered with. >> that's my darling on my shoulder, suds up, you shampoo your cat, you shampoo your dog. i shampooed my raccoon. >> does that sound like that? it's rare to hear that sentence use in a literal way. sadly, these days mr. brown is
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showering alone because the tennessee wildlife aagain see took rebecca away because it's illegal to keep a wild animal as a pet. mr. brown doesn't see it that way. >> i'm trying to get her out of captivity and keep her from this. and this. i have done nothing wrong but save something from a certain death. what i did should not be condemned. it should be commended. she would not be here today had it not been for me. >> well, now he's appealing to the governor to bring his little baby home and blames the whole thing on the cruel mistress of internet fame. >> so now that i have become a big fish, they have come after me to take rebecca away from me. the governor just give me my permit, give me my pardon and i'll shut up. i ask god every night for two
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things, either free rebecca back to me, or let me just forget about it. >> that beard is amazing. look, i've said it before and again, it's hard not to be sympathetic for a grown man looks like he's in zz top is po poet tick as his raccoon. there seemed to be a unique bond there. when it comes to this raccoon controversy, you make the call on "the ridiculist." that does it for us. see you again at 10:00 p.m. eastern. thanks for watching. thanks for watching. piers morgan live starts now. -- captions by vitac -- this is "piers morgan live." welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. the bloodiest day in egypt since the arabs bring revolution. is the country teetering on the brink of open civil war and what will it mean for